[Pease Porridge]
Bob's Mailbox
Bob Pease
ED Online ID #15416
May 10, 2007
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Hello Bob: I'm designing wideband photodiode amplifiers
and using Jerald Graeme's excellent book (Photodiode
Amplifiers—Op Amp Solutions) as a reference. In the case
of a composite transimpedance amplifier (TIA) discussed in Chapter 6, do you know whether the phase compensation
requirement that dictates a value of CF for stability/gain peaking (i.e., the formula on page 58) changes? (Refer to my column
"What's All This Transimpedance Amplifier Stuff, Anyhow?") Be sure to write down
these questions: What BW (min and max) do you need? What noise
do you need in that BW? What is your Z source (R, C)? What is the
minimum and maximum signal size? Data? These questions can
help you define your circuit and amplifier needs. These are usually
defined by real circuits and not by a formula. If one circuit doesn't
solve your problem, you may need another circuit. No book makes it
easy! /rap) I've designed and built TIAs before, but not high frequency. I'm getting ready to design a photodetector for an analog application to measure pulses (amplitudes) as small as 10 µA and as fast
as 50-ns pulse width (10-ns rise/fall times). (If you have signals as
fast as that, you are definitely interested in op amps with low V
noise, and the I noise probably won't be so important, unless you
get silly. You have to get low V noise/(ZS) at the high frequency of
interest. And you haven't mentioned your CS, so I can't guess what
your ZS is. It had better be a small CS... /rap ) Right now I have a
spreadsheet (People who use spreadsheets expect some kind of
quasi-linear problem. These TIA problems force you to change your
whole circuit, so it's not very linear. /rap) where the fixed parameters like the op-amp parameters and diode parameters are entered.
Then RF, damping, and signal current (pulse amplitude) can be
played with. What gets calculated is the CF (compensation), bandwidth, noise (diode shot, amp current, Johnson, amp voltage, and
SNR). The tricky part is the amplifier voltage noise, which experiences noise gain that dominates wideband designs. That is why the
datasheet for TI's OPA656 FET amp recommends using the
OPA846 (replaced OPA686) and OPA847 (replaced OPA687) bipolar
amps, which have lower voltage noise and input capacitance.
Besides the TIA topology, I entered in the composite topology and
bootstrap but didn't see a real advantage to those. The composite
reduces noise bandwidth (and signal bandwidth) with a second op
amp in the loop with the TIA, so it probably has some advantages
over a separate filter after the TIA. (I have never been enthusiastic
about that approach—not a winner. /rap) The bootstrap just made
the pole from the compensation capacitance (which is a sum of a
few capacitances) dominate versus the second-order pole from the
limited open-loop gain and feedback zero. This second-order pole is
the bandwidth given by the standard TIA bandwidth formula with
45° of phase margin. But if the RF, CF pole is less than that, it dominates, and bandwidth corresponds to 1/(2*π*RF*CF).
• John Dailing
• Pease: Let me know if you have a problem. Sometimes,
some foolish person sets you a task that cannot be accomplished. Then you need a friend to explain "this has become
impossible..."
Hi Bob: When I read your March 1 column ("What's All This ‘Others Stay Lighted' Stuff, Anyhow?"), I had to e-mail you about
phasing generators to the grid. With all the wind generators being
installed at remote locations, phasing would be a large problem,
except wind generators use induction generators. An induction
generator is just a three-phase motor (or single-phase motor) that
is run above synchronous rpm. Since an induction generator has
to run 5% to 8% above synchronous rpm, there is no phasing
needed. Just get it close to synchronous rpm and connect to the
grid. If the wind generator rpm is low, it will act as a motor and
bring it up to speed or load it down to the correct rpm. No phasing
or governor is needed. At high wind speeds, the blades stall so
the generator does not over-rev. At low wind speeds, the generator
becomes a motor and keeps the speed up.
• Steven Schmitt
• Pease: You're saying that if an induction generator's synchronous speed is 120 rpm (for example) and you bring the generator up to 119 or 122 and throw the switch to connect it 20
times, there will never be a huge surge of current? Not
enough to blow breakers? Many big wind generators now use
electronic switching for best efficiency at all rotor and wind
speeds. So, any such system would have its own needs for
synchronization. Your simplified version probably wouldn't
apply. Fair enough? Your statement might apply to small, simple wind systems.
Dear Bob: Your recent article about polypropylene caps ("What's
All This Capacitor Leakage Stuff, Anyhow?")
raises a question I've had for a while about Y5V dielectric ceramic caps. I got burned a few years ago on a design where I wanted
high capacitance in a low volume and used these near their maximum operating voltage. At that voltage, they only have 10% of
their rated capacitance. So what's the use of these things?
• Mike Partridge
• Pease: At low voltages and at room temp, i.e., cheap consumer stuff. They are pretty lousy, but the world has a lot of
applications for a lousy cap. So these do sell some.
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