[Pease Porridge]
Bob's Mailbox
Bob Pease
ED Online ID #18153
February 28, 2008
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DEAR RAP:
You answered one question for me last year
(“Why are FETs so expensive in India?”),
and I now have another. How does a bipolar
op-amp-based non-inverting dc amplifier amplify dc signals
that are below a 0.6-V bipolar threshold (e.g., an LM358-
based non-inverting dc amplifier)?
(Okay, you want a gain of +1.5 or 2 or 3 for a small signal that
is barely above ground, such as +0.1 or +0.2 V? And the LM358
uses a small +V supply such as +6 V and ground? /rap)
The op-amp datasheet schematics show no bias on the input
Darlingtons. Representative schematics show a bias constant
current source for the differential-pairs tail current, but none
for the bases of the two input PNP transistors.
(The input PNP’s emitters run on the base current of the
differential-pair transistors. If you build up this circuit using
ordinary transistors, it will work. Of course, 2N3906s have
higher beta, but the lateral PNPs in the LM358 do not have
that high beta. So there is always some current to run those
emitters on. Further, an extra current is often fed to the emitter
of the input transistor—maybe only 1/2 µA, but enough to
give that PNP some emitter current to run on. Note that the
LM358 schematic is a “simplified” schematic diagram. Transistors
are so cheap, we can add in another transistor as needed to
make it work a little better. We can add a little more current to
the inputs’ emitters. Note: LM358 inputs work down not just
to +0.1 V, but also to –0.1 and –0.2 V of VCM. /rap)
I have read all of chapter 7 in Art of Electronics as well as
many other books that cover op-amp basics, but this particular
question is explained nowhere. How are bipolar op-amp input
transistors biased into conduction?
–ASHVINI VISHVAKARMA
HELLO, ASHVINI:
They just run on whatever current they can get from the
following (differential) stage and from extra current sources.
They don’t need a lot. Even 0.1 µA is plenty. If you open up an
LM358H, you can see these current sources. Sometimes they
are a part of the main 6-µA current source to the differential
pair. Sometimes the transistors in the differential pair have two
collectors and the smaller collector goes to its base, and thus to
the input emitter. Either way will work. Both ways are used in
various different amplifiers of this basic type.
–RAP
SIR,
In a recent article, you said that too much beta decreases mu. I
can’t find anything on this in my textbooks. Would you explain?
–RAYMOND A. FUTRELL
HI, RAY:
You may have mediocre textbooks. Mu is an alternate statement
of (1/Hrb). When the beta goes sky-high, the mu and the
voltage gain go low. It is related to the Early effect. Have fun.
–RAP
DEAR SIR,
As I am going to buy a testbench for electronic circuit testing,
I want some feedback about isolated power and the ground
plane arrangement. Can you suggest a layout?
–CHETAN VIRANI
HELLO, CHETAN:
You haven’t given me much info on what you are trying to
do, so I can not exactly give you feedback. But in general, it is a
good idea to put a big slab of copper-clad glass-epoxy material
on top of the workbench with the copper side up and ground it
to the neutral of the power line as a ground plane. I like to set
up at least 12 to 16 power outlets for an ordinary bench with
local circuit breakers. Then I would usually ground most of
my circuits to that grounded copper. I might put cardboard or
insulating glass-epoxy over the ground plane if I need insulation.
When I am working with high voltages, I try to keep one
hand in a pocket before I turn the line power on. I did a lot of
work on high-voltage stuff recently, and I never got “bit.” You
also mentioned isolated power. I rarely need isolated power. I
do use an isolation transformer on rare occasions. I do sometimes
use a line-power “three-wire-to-two-wire” cheater so I
can float a scope or sine generator, but I am pretty careful when
I do that. I hope these are useful ideas for you.
–RAP
DEAR BOB,
I need to convert a 5-MHz sine wave to a 5-MHz
TTL signal. Is there an IC that would do the job?
–RON RASPET
HI, RON:
Take a look at some comparators. There are lots of slow ones,
but you’ll want one with delays less than 15 ns. The LM360/
LM361 is fast enough. But you can pick one that gets along with
your existing power supplies such as an LMV7219.
–RAP
Comments invited! rap@galaxy.nsc.com —or:
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P.O. Box 58090,
Santa Clara, CA 95052-8090
BOB PEASE obtained a BSEE from MIT in 1961 and is Staff Scientist
at
National Semiconductor Corp.,
Santa Clara, Calif.
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