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What’s Wrong With Engineering Education?

By Staff

July 22, 2009

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I recently spent a couple of days at the annual conference of the American Society of Engineering Education (ASEE) in Austin, Texas. This event draws roughly 3000 attendees from colleges and universities, mostly from the U.S. While the temperatures outside soared past 100°F, the convention center kept most of us shivering in our boots.

I’ve been to this event several times, but this year I presented a paper related to my advisory work on a National Science Foundation grant project focusing on updating university electronics curricula. Mostly, though, I went to observe what’s happening with the electronics side of engineering education. Here is the big picture as I saw and heard it.

Dearth of Industry Participation

You would think that since the products of our educational institutions are the graduates who go into industry that these companies would be more interested in the educational content and process. I did not see any actual industry representatives at the conference, although surely some must have been there. I cannot help but think that industry would want to be more visible and want some say in shaping the product it ends up paying so dearly for.

Yes, it does take time to participate in education, and most industry folks have precious little spare time to do so, even if they are interested and concerned. Yet participation is necessary. As the old saying goes, if you keep doing the same old thing, you’ll get the same old result. So it is with education.

I fear that we are getting the same old things in our graduates, despite the fact that the industry and technology have moved on and only increased their rate of change. Sadly, the academic community does not usually proactively seek industry input. Most colleges and universities have industry advisory committees, but in my experience schools pay only minimal attention to what these advisors say or want.

Faculty Arrogance

There is more than a bit of arrogance in the attitudes of faculty in most institutions, which is easily detectable in their presentations and in casual conversation. I suppose that most professors feel this way because of their advanced degrees and, I have to admit, superior (in most cases) IQs, knowledge, and competence. There is an overall attitude of “we are smart and know what is best to teach.” Maybe to an extent that is true.

When the goal is to teach fundamentals and basics, it is probably a good idea to let the academics decide. But when it comes to knowing the current needs of industry, I am skeptical of this attitude. The fundamentals do not change, of course. But as technology moves on, some fundamentals become unnecessary, others can just be mentioned, and new fundamentals need to be added. This is where industry advises on content and approach as well as what to emphasize and what to ignore.

Self-Absorption

Academia is focused on itself and less on the students. I will probably hear from angry professors on this claim, but I know I am right. The institutions are so wrapped up in their own issues, problems, and politics, not to mention personal pursuits, that they often forget the students and the industry they serve.

Many professors no longer actually teach. I am not kidding. They get graduate student assistants to teach many classes or conduct labs. What do the professors do then? They write papers to further their own careers and develop and apply for grants—or actually do grant work that brings in big bucks to the department and institution. Students suffer a bit for being denied access to the real teaching talent originally hired for the job.

Another example is the incredible amount of time spent in trying to recruit more women and minorities to engineering. I am not criticizing the effort, as we surely do need to find more ways to attract high school grads into engineering. This effort does not seem to have had much effect, yet the institutions seem determined to produce a student body more aligned with the “correct” quotas or some perceived inconsistency than with students who are interested and capable.

Dated or Skewed Curricula

I have the sense that some of the electronic programs aren’t as up to date as they should be. Most professors tell you they teach and stress fundamentals, and that’s good. But you still need to introduce the latest in components, techniques, and methods so graduates don’t enter the industry without some sense of the current technology. That is almost criminal.

Most graduates still have to go through some on-the-job training when they’re first hired, but they shouldn’t be so ignorant of modern practices that they look bad. That to me means keeping a program up to date, which needs to be done on a course-by-course basis. In a dynamic industry like electronics, it should be ongoing.

Most professors appear to fight against change. Change is hard. It takes time. Most teachers like to keep teaching the material as they learned it one, two, or even three decades ago. Yes, I know that fundamentals don’t change, but you should at least try to teach them in the context of the current technology.

I wish professors would be more open to adopting the latest information and techniques. Yet since they don’t work in industry, I fear that they have a very vague knowledge of what’s new, important, and only nice to know. It’s a subtle thing. Many professors have never worked in industry, or if they did, it was many years ago.

In a way, I fault the institutions more than the faculty, as many professors would like to be more up to date. But few colleges and universities will fund continuing education activities of any kind, such as seminars and conferences, or allow for time off. It’s funny how the institutions want the latest knowledge and tout their pre-eminence but won’t support it unless some government grant funding is paying. Again, what is wrong with this picture?

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  • July 29, 2009 01:02 PM

    by Michelle

    I'm an electrical design engineer with two parents who are teachers. I've been in industry since 1992. I'm offended by the ease with which you blow off the issues and profession of teaching. I suggest you design a few classes from the ground up, deliver them, and review your student evaluations before your next article. Go on, no whining now.

    I don't agree with the way engineering is taught, but for completely different reasons than you are driving at. Engineering professors ignore all the wonderful things that we know about how the human brain works. They drone on in giant lecture halls and produce pounds of boring notes. This is not an effective teaching strategy. We know so many more methods that are so much more effective. But still, engineering professors all over the country stand at the whiteboard, 1st edition text book in hand, reading to the students. Why? Because engineering professors are not required to learn the skills, strategies and, yes, science of teaching.

    How strange is that? Talk about arrogance. If most of the engineering professors actually knew how complex, involved, and difficult teaching strategies can be, they'd be too nervous to stand up, prepared only with content, to teach a class.

    Require that the people who teach our youth know how to teach and I bet they would quickly solve the systemic problems \"EMM\" correctly, I believe, identifies.

    Another possibility -- team up engineering professors with School of Education faculty and let them co-design the program.

    Oh, what about industry? Why not spend their money to develop their employees instead of trying to manipulate the University which, frankly, has a higher purpose than merely providing new employees to industry.

    MJR
  • July 29, 2009 01:16 PM

    by Indel

    Good article. Maybe, restricting enrolling to PhD programs to a number of years after the undergraduate work would have more close to industry candidates. Yes, it would make more difficult for everybody, still, one has a much broader horizon after few years of working in your profession.
    The basics (transistors, biasing, ic’s, amplifiers shouldn’t take more than one month. Lab hours should be doubled. Courses should be in a logical sequence: after learning about the mathematical decomposition of signals then go for DSP, Laplace followed by system controls.
    All these are going to change the structure in the EE college and I am not sure that the academics are ready for that.
    And, as somebody said it, before me, we should send all these opinions to our reps, and, maybe….
  • July 29, 2009 12:31 PM

    by EMM, Ph.D, PE

    Louis:

    Amen.

    I got a Ph.D in engineering, joined faculty of Tier 1 research university for a few years and then left for industry where I became a Licensed Professional Engineer.

    1) I have applied for academic positions for 7 years and always make it to the \"job talk\" but never the final dance. I consistently lose out to new graduates and foreigners. They are cheaper. Education is a business and students are taught by the lowest bidder.

    2) Students are whiners. In the classes that I have acted as a consultant for the sense of entitlement and just plain laziness is annoying. I had a student ask me to design a circuit for his class. My response: \"I get paid a lot of money to do that - you can't afford me.\"

    3) Labs, labs, labs. Sure they are expensive, but nothing beats burning out a circuit to learn what you did wrong.

    4) Teaching faculty vs. research faculty. Let the grant earners do their thing and subsidize the teachers. Create a dual academic track for the \"publish-or-perish\" people and the teachers. Not all Nobel laureats are good teachers.

    5) Co-ops. The whiners need to learn to produce. Better when only a letter grade is at stake rather than your career.
  • August 03, 2009 10:26 AM

    by Dave Telling

    Two stories related to this article:
    A number of years ago, we had a young woman who was taking course at our local community college toward an ASET degree. She would occasionally ask me for help with homework. One week, she asked me about problems related to calculating plate areas for capacitors. I was a bit surprised that they had spent a wek on this subject & I talked to the department head about how this was pretty much a waste of time, as the chances of ever having to do this in the field were vanishingly remote. He reolied that he didn't know that so much time was being spent on things such as this. He asked if I would be interested in being on the curriculum committe for the electronics program, and I said that I would be glad to participate, but despite two additional contacts with him, where I brought up the subject of the curriculum, he never called back. I doon't know what they are teaching up ther now.
    The second story was when we got a new EE graduate into the office as a tech/junior engineer, and I was working with him on som efairly basic circuit operation (bipolar transistors & comparators). At one point, I was talking about circuit operation and said that on thebase of a particular NPN transistor, we would expect to see about .65 volts. He replied, \"How do you know that?\" I then said that this was a pretty standard voltage for a silicon transistor - didn't he learn anything about that in school? His reply was that he vaguely remembered something from a long time ago, but he wasn't very familiar with it. It was obvious that he had spent very little time actually building & testing basic circuitry.
    I agree with \"M\" above (James Bond's boss, perhaps?) that colleges should be more active in looking for industry-experienced engineers to teach some of their classes.
  • August 01, 2009 08:22 PM

    by Karl Eilers

    Interesting that in the liberal arts, it's possible for a prof to get time off to do research on Shakespeare, whose opus has not changed in centuries - but it's not possible in engineering, where things change by the minute.

    A tsunami of change in education is coming, no question. In ten years education will look radically different. The question is, will the change come from today's educators, or will it happen around them, leaving them to become tomorrow's typewriters and vacuum tubes? They aren't going to be able to maintain their position as gatekeepers much longer.
  • July 30, 2009 10:55 AM

    by Shane

    Co-op/internship programs are an excellent way to help address many of these issues. Industry experience helps students understand what they are learning in school can be applied in the real world. It doesn't replace the other excellent suggestions made in the article, rather it enhances them. This is area where industry and universities can work together to improve the quality and quantity of opportunities for students.
  • July 29, 2009 01:44 PM

    by Harbinger

    Overall a very good analysis.

    The glaring omission is the real reason industry doesn't show up. The Executive Class no longer sees engineering staff as an investment but as a distasteful expense. They prefer not to develop or retain staff but to continually bid down the salaries and benefits by off-shoring, sub-contracting and hiring temps. This has filtered down to education because the Executives can hire meer engineers globally and doesn't need to foster home grown engineers. After all home growns might want a salary that approaches an MBAs, totally unacceptable.

    Another issue is the appaling age-ism of these Executive Gods. Rather than retrain or support staff with continuing education, they find wiggle room around the laws. They avoid keeping staff who could mentor the new hires into practical approaches and possibly learn some of the 'new' fangled ways in return. One company has a policy that new hires must have a degree less than 5 years old. (Not age-ism, is it?) Some companies, with evangelical glee, proclaim they don't want experience because the experienced people may wish to discuss Executive agenda flaws, (scientific, schedule, cost, practicallity).

    I could go on but my point can be summarized.

    Leadership in engineering has been usurped by money grubbing, opportunists who believe in milking the cash cow hoping someone else will feed it, while it starves. By the way, engineering knowlege is a cash cow to these self important resume burnishers.
  • July 29, 2009 01:26 PM

    by W.W. Koepsel

    I agree wholeheartedly with you. I taught for 50 years at various universities and ended up the last five years at the University of Texas as an adjunct professor. During a term at one university I taught a course in EM Theory for Juniors. In this course I wanted to show students standing waves on a transmission line. I wanted to do this using a slotted line. I visited some of the labs to see if I could access such equipment to demonstate the standing waves. No such equipment was available in any labs which were labeled Microwave Laboratory and found the only equipment available were computers which were used to lern about microwaves.
  • July 29, 2009 01:02 PM

    by Medium Timer

    I think there a couple of forces at work: the American society and the relative monopoly run by the academic institutions.

    Indian and Chinese students are hungry for success. We're spoiled by it. We're more individualistic, and they seem to work more cohesively. JMHO derived from my observations in working with international design teams.

    What incentives do academic institutions have if they're getting the best and brightest to pay $30K/yr regardless of how much they spend per student ?

    Learning by doing is the only true way to learn. The best labs found at schools are the ones created/sponsored by corporations because they generally have modern learning materials and equipment. If I was the cirriculum coordinator or dean at a university, I would have dedicated personnel just to perform corporate outreach and create labs that have a companies signature on them.
  • July 29, 2009 01:11 PM

    by pgdion

    Right on the nose on every account. Very well written article. When in college I got so tired of having them tell me what I should be instead of teaching what I wanted to learn. Most of the LA classes I was forced to take, nope, haven't helped me one bit. And you're correct, the fundamentals don't change, but the ways to work with them sure do!
  • July 30, 2009 07:19 AM

    by J Roberts

    I have a very skewed opinion of Institutions of \"Higher\" Learning in general. A Va Tech professor described the current University atmosphere as \"Beer and Circus\". This practice of encouraging poor study habits and distracting students while accepting their tuition added to \"sorting tools\" i.e. higher mathematics, are used to weed out students so that the number continuing on into the last two years and towards a degree don't exceed a number requiring more teaching staff. It isn't the Universities plan to graduate more students. As noted in your article Professors are about obtaining grants for their department and building their resumes not about teaching classes.
    When approaching your suggestions for correcting the situation through the above (skewed) point of view it makes perfect sense to me why it isn't changed. There's no money in it.
  • July 29, 2009 01:14 PM

    by xpst


    Industry does not care so much about what is taught in college, not because of outsourcing, but because college is viewed primarily as a test. To get good grades at a top institution, you must be pretty smart. Doesn't really matter so much what you are taught--the vast majority of what you really need to know to do your job you will learn on the job, anyway. An advanced degree does not mean you have more relevant knowledge, just that you are likely smarter than someone who doesn't.

    That's not to say that universities can't be improved to be more relevant. New grads tend to sloppy. I think that with any hands-on activity, students should be compelled to be more rigorous and disciplined. Make computer programs well-structured, readable, and consistent with coding guidelines. Use source code control, bug tracking, and scheduling tools.

    If I knew a particular school was particularly good at molding engineers who could 'hit the ground running', I, as a hiring manager, would be biased toward hiring from that school.
  • July 29, 2009 11:49 AM

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  • July 31, 2009 05:57 PM

    by M

    I agree with your article wholeheartedly. I would add that there are quite a few engineers who have left industry - via outsourcing, early retirements, buyouts, etc. - but who still have several good years left. Quite a few of these industry veterans spent considerable time in front of large groups of people, explaining how a product/technology/process works, what it costs, why you need it, and so on. Sounds something like teaching, doesn't it?

    So, could we get the industry angle into the classroom by hiring some of these engineers to teach college classes? Could we make the working environment attractive so they'll accept the relatively (ridiculously?) low academic salaries. Could academia can live with faculty who don't (gasp) have PhDs or even (horrors) an MS. Hmm, probably not.

    Sounded good for a minute there.

    M
  • July 30, 2009 12:29 AM

    by Edward Kimble

    Good article. Add too, most protocols for communications, like HDTV and MP4, have become taboo in grade schools, hijacked,\"privatized\", and secret. \"How to\" books and kits for microwaves, radio, etc. are not likely to show up on Hanna Montana (but why not). And nobody is out to create motivation or lower entry cost for hobby electronics. A ten dollar programmer for PIC processors should be the beginnings of a cap bomb, rocket, robot, and spy radio in the driveway of every urban nerd in the US. And the 16F84 should cost 10 cents and run at 100Mhz, not be \"deprecated\". And every toy whiz bang or alley rocket should have an onboard HDTV microcomputer transmitter. Show me that weather station/toaster/aquarium/paint gun/rc car, etc.with that HDTV microcomputer remote control display. Instead we have snake eyes, people so blind, greedy, and gutless that they have to double check their DARPA zipper before every first order differential equation. D1=D1+D2*DT
    One Chinese company with a fast FPGA and a sense of home-boy, and for the US, it's game, set, and match. Like doctors, the problem is not government control but lowering liability cost, lowering generic chip cost, and national efforts to create and promote simple RAD interfaces, open codes, and new markets. Estimates are that a robust hobby HDTV transmitter can be made for 2$, instead we have frozen the market at about $4,000!! Just a thought.
  • July 29, 2009 06:44 PM

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  • July 29, 2009 11:52 AM

    by JeffL

    Louis,

    Look, industry doesn't participate in these issues because industry doesn't give a tinker's damn about the ability of US graduates to participate in anything, if they can get Chinese or Indian engineers cheaper (they wouldn't KNOW much less care whether they're any good or not) then they won't hire US workers at all EVER. The academic pinheads run their institutions for the greatest profit and their own individual glory and it's just to hell with whether a particular student is productive or useful for anything. When I went to school (during the Vietnam debacle) I got involved in the \"student\" radio station (which was slamming the hell out of the \"university-owned\" station in the ratings) and for security reasons we had to move the entire studio off-campus, and since we couldn't afford to upgrade our equipment the engineers on staff set out to build all-new gear ourselves - consoles, distribution amplifiers, phone system, intercoms (down to laying out and etching our own PCBs), even internally consulting the acoustic design of the on-air studios. Everything worked great and we were very proud but the engineering faculty thought we were a bunch of IDIOTS and in many cases refused to even award project credit for our re-engineering, documenting and fabricating these entire subsystems! Fortunately I've had a fairly productive (if not entirely lucrative) engineering career and managed to avoid running into the same clowns in industry (where the ability to actually contribute is STILL sometimes appreciated), but this experience definitely affected my \"appreciation\" of what motivates academia, and as far as industry is concerned I haven't had as much as a \"nibble\" on my contracting career in a year and a half since it's always just ASSUMED that foreign engineers are FAR more productive, and I doubt that
    \"re-education\" here would be much different in result than the process of the same name that used to go on behind the Iron Curtain. So if you want to continue to go to these conventions and believe in the tooth fairy, be my guest.

    Jeff
  • August 14, 2009 06:18 AM

    by Art Johnson

    Well put, my friend. This is that dilemma I faced while attending college and has been a deterrent for me returning. In my experience I found that the R&D team, marketing dept. and \"in-field\" experience counts the most when it comes down to leading the Industry with new ideas and different techniques in Engineering. The Universities and its profs lag in this area via monotonous traditions making it difficult for advancement and improvement with updated material for us Engineers. This creates an issue. On a personal note, perhaps integration with the Industries and the Universities or greater exposure between the two should suffice this issue (advanced internship). Afterall, once educated we end up here anyway.
  • July 29, 2009 11:00 PM

    by TOMD

    Seems like you're confusing a vo-tech technical program with an engineering program. Teaching current parts or languages guarantees obsolescence in short order. Teaching concepts, and fundamentals allows for understanding of new technology as it is developed. Case in point, oscilloscopes are becoming obsolete with new high speed serial busses, you can't just tap into the net and expect to see any sort of clean edge, only at the terminated receiver on the die will the signal be undistorted. You cant drop a probe on HyperTransport, DDR3-1600 or PCIeGen3.
  • July 29, 2009 10:36 PM

    by S.Sekar

    You are absoultely correct. No professors is ready to update themselves as they may thought of increasing their workload. Yes,education should be upto latest technology with basics ...
  • July 29, 2009 10:36 PM

    by S.Sekar

    You are absoultely correct. No professors is ready to update themselves as they may thought of increasing their workload. Yes,education should be upto latest technology with basics ...
  • July 29, 2009 05:08 PM

    by Anonymous

    Amen brother! Engineering is an applied science therefore there needs to be adequate applied courses, such as labs and projects, in the curriculums. The schools need to focus less on credentials and focus more on knowledge transfer. If they would just focus on putting out premium students everything else would fall into place for them.
  • July 29, 2009 05:08 PM

    by Anonymous

    Amen brother! Engineering is an applied science therefore there needs to be adequate applied courses, such as labs and projects, in the curriculums. The schools need to focus less on credentials and focus more on knowledge transfer. If they would just focus on putting out premium students everything else would fall into place for them.
  • July 29, 2009 12:26 PM

    by Frank

    JeffL's earlier post is dead on.

    That academics are arrogant and self-absorbed; what's new? When I went to school in 70's it was the same; they have generaly always been rather a-holes when it comes to their students, not all though thankfully. Just part of the process of getting thru the 'flaming ring' of higher education; putting up with them yet still managing to learn enough to pass their little tests, written or otherwise.

    On industry's indiference: you're kidding, right? Why should industry participate in US education when they are getting most of their engineering labor in Commie China and similar Elbonias (see Dilbert)? And then we see the Bill Gates types get on Oprah or go to Congress whining how we just can't get enough American kids into science so we need to import more H1Bs, blah, blah, blah... Mr. Frenzel, if you REALLY want to make a difference, don't post here, it's just silly! Mail it instead to your congressmen and White House so you can remind them again on how THEIR sick, corrupted trade policy has created this situation and is de-industrializing America!

  • July 29, 2009 02:55 PM

    by Anonymous

    I learned more about doing a good design when I got my AAS in electronics. I was a engineering tech for 10 years before I got my BSEE. The classes I enjoyed the most for the BSEE had nothing to do with electronics (chem, phys ...). The electronics classes were at such a high level that I knew from experience little would be useful on the job. Maybe the BSEE program needs one year of \"this is what you need\" classes.
  • July 29, 2009 02:09 PM

    by jsmedina

    Excellent article. I received my BSEE from the University of New Mexico (1986) and I received my MSEE through long distance learning (NTU) in 2005. At UNM, I was very fortunate to have professors that did work in the industry (Kirtland AFB, Sandia, Los Alamos, etc) and it really helped me understand what industry was all about. Most of the professors had a great deal of \"practical experience\" to share with us and did not have the \"weedout\" philosophy, but were there to teach us and to watch us grow as engineering students.

    For my MSEE I decided to attend NTU due to the convenience of studying on my own time. Since I worked in industry, I was getting plenty of on the job lab experience, but wanted to gain a better understanding of the theory. When I started, the student got the best of the best. The participating universities were 50+. So, if I wanted to take Microwave Engineering from UMASS, I could. Now, there are not any programs like the old NTU program. It's very unfortunate for the industry. It all comes down to money and cutting costs at universities. One of my favorite professors from SMU (Professor Lee) had the right attitude. His primary goal was to teach us to be the best engineers we could possibly be. He was always available to answer questions and was most humble. He even allowed us to call him at home, if necessary. Unfortunately, this is not always the case with most universities.

    I have seen too many engineers come out of school to do MMIC design and have never spent any time at the bench. They can use all of the latest and greatest tools, but when something doesn't work, they have no idea how to attack the problem. I hope that universities take the time to train up our engineers of the future, or we will continue to fall behind other countries in our knowledge and expertise.
  • July 29, 2009 01:21 PM

    by xchngcoef

    One avenue of education you did not mention was distance learning. When done well this is as effective as classroom teaching, it would be available to a much broader range of students, and schools need less on campus structural support. There are other advantages too, such as less need for transportation, time savings for students, faculty can reach a larger audience. Given the mobility of many people, it allows them to continue at the same institution whether they live on the either coast or in between. The intellectual level of the courses I have experienced are on par with on campus teaching. Courses are offered by many universites and they have found ways to handle the required laboratory work. None of this addresses your issue with content, but it does broaden the pool of potential students for engineering.
  • July 29, 2009 01:17 PM

    by Ron

    let's take a look at what works in other realms in society; how about those people who are into professional sports? those folks get sponsorship from nike, and many other companies when displaying their logo because those sports pros are extremely visible to the world via television.
    and how about race car drivers, their cars have just about every inch with logos being displayed of companies sponsoring them in the race.

    with the above in mind, i believe that in order to 'raise the bar' in the engineering education, is to make more people aware of it via television and other media outlets; a sort of 'real life' show on at prime time that shows students working on their senior projects. to make it interesting and provide incentive to the student participants, a reward could be made to the student with the most 'points' at the end of the project. the students could wear company sponsor tshirts and ballcaps.

    once more people become more aware as to how their xbox, iphones, mp3s and other devices are actually engineered, more interest will be generated instead of taking those items for granted.

    thoughts, comments?
  • July 29, 2009 01:17 PM

    by Ron

    let's take a look at what works in other realms in society; how about those people who are into professional sports? those folks get sponsorship from nike, and many other companies when displaying their logo because those sports pros are extremely visible to the world via television.
    and how about race car drivers, their cars have just about every inch with logos being displayed of companies sponsoring them in the race.

    with the above in mind, i believe that in order to 'raise the bar' in the engineering education, is to make more people aware of it via television and other media outlets; a sort of 'real life' show on at prime time that shows students working on their senior projects. to make it interesting and provide incentive to the student participants, a reward could be made to the student with the most 'points' at the end of the project. the students could wear company sponsor tshirts and ballcaps.

    once more people become more aware as to how their xbox, iphones, mp3s and other devices are actually engineered, more interest will be generated instead of taking those items for granted.

    thoughts, comments?
  • July 29, 2009 01:22 PM

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  • August 02, 2009 09:02 PM

    by Tom Penick

    I returned to school late in life to get a BSEE. I started out at a community college and finished up at a well-regarded 4-year institution. I noticed that the community college was staffed by career teachers who were interested in the success of all of their students and in polishing their own craft. The administration backed them up with various programs to assist any students who might have difficulty. In contrast to that, the 4-year university was staffed largely by people from industry positions who were falling back on secondary occupations of teaching and did not seem particularly suited to the task. I should mention, though, that there were some notable exceptions--there are a few fine teachers there. The thrust of the first two years of the 4-year university was to weed out as many unsuitable students as possible--those who couldn't teach themselves--while in the Junior and Senior years students were shuttled on through to graduation. It seems to be that the universities could learn a lot about teaching by examining the community colleges.
  • July 29, 2009 03:53 PM

    by Anonymous

    As the Brits say, Spot On!
    As a refugee from the automotive sector, I have to comment on the MBA mentality that pervades industry, academia, and politics. Engineering talent is not easily quantified, and appreciates like a fine wine, over time, not overnight, like a dot.com stock. The quarterly profits statement and the bang-for-the-buck mentality have done in the domestic automakers, and will continue to drive the bean-counters who invariably get put in charge. Yet they rarely stay in one place long enough to reap the spoilage of what destruction they sow, as they climb the corporate ladder with their cronies.

    As an experienced EE, a school administrator, and genuine hard-knocks graduate, I see amazing results from the universities and industry labs, Moore's law continuance an excellent example. Yet this talent is poorly rewarded by the money changers and the politically motivated. There once was a time, about a hundred years ago, a mechanical engineer's salary was higher than a physician's.

    Lastly, we need to return to the old paradigm of teaching students, not just engineers, but all students, HOW to think, and not just WHAT to think. As long as the prep schools are more interested in indoctrination on the rain forest, climate change, and pop culture instead of intellectual curiousity, we will continue to head down the path where someday India and China will be eating our lunch.
  • July 29, 2009 03:42 PM

    by DGI

    I just finished a book that sheds some light on the quandary that today’s engineers and educators face. “Shop Class as SoulCraft,” by Matthew Crawford presents some interesting thoughts that don’t damn the universities or the graduates but show cultural trends that are changing and perhaps harming us.

    One reference that Crawford uses is from MIT economist Frank Levy. Levy observes that rule based services are the easiest to export and thus have downward pressure on wages. A rule-based service might include customer service and software writing. Manufacturing is another rule-based service. Given these and other thoughts, Crawford’s book is an intriguing read. You may find yourself in there somewhere. I did.

    Matthew Crawford has a PhD in Philosophy and runs a motorcycle repair shop.
  • July 29, 2009 03:01 PM

    by Anonymous

    Excellent article! Universities should add a portfolio of courses aimed towards preparing for a job in specific section of the industry. How many students know the steps that an embedded-systems company goes thru for qualifying a board for mass usage? How many software students know that more than of half project lifetime happens after programming is finished?

    Bring in industry representatives to give a high level picture of their specific industry. A student who wants to be a design engineer at a semicon company like Intel will hear about the cycle of design-verification-wafer fab-assembly-test-qa/reliability, etc. Students would take these short courses in the last year of curriculum. Since the department professors will be least interested, the program could be driven by the placement office. Students go from department classroom to resume writing. Placement department can build the missing bridge.
  • July 29, 2009 01:44 PM

    by ALS

    As an Electrical Engineer who works in the Industrial Control Industry I am concerned about the apparent apathy of industry related to academic excellence and continuing education for technical professionals. I believe part of the problem is due to the current thrust to outsource many of the engineering tasks to offshore organizations. Why worry about the technical proficiency of your current staff if they are being replaced by cheaper labor elsewhere.

    In addition, there is a vast misunderstanding by Human Resources personnel about the capabilities of new engineers and the requirements for continuing education. Since Human Resources is often tasked with employee education they tend to concentrate on the training delivered by their organization such as safety, employee relations, etc. Engineering organizations need to work with those responsible for employee training to make sure that appropriate training is offered or resourced and continuing education is encouraged or even mandated.
  • July 29, 2009 02:52 PM

    by Anonymous

    I was (am) an EE. Now I own a business. The problem is if engineers want to be cogs, they are replaceable at any time, by anyone...aka outsourcing. BUT to those who make themselves indespensable, they can write their own ticket. All you have to do is 1) think - what is best for the company, 2) act in that direction. If you don't get the reward, go do it for yourself, or someone else who does appreciate your efforts.

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