“House of Fire”: Firebottles And Groove Tubes Versus Devices That Find Their Origins in Sand (Part 1)

Why do Tube Amps and Solid-State Amps Sound Different?

Borrowing the title of the Alice Cooper song seems appropriate. This is a classic, and hot, topic: vacuum tubes versus transistors. Why does a tube amplifier sound different than a solid-state amplifier? This article attempts to solve that mystery looking at the component and system level in a comprehensive—and agnostic—way. (For more, see Part 2.)

This will require a discussion of not only the active devices but also passive devices and transducers and basic audio circuits. These discussions will challenge the stuff we’ve blindly accepted for the last five or six decades. The baseline assertion is that if we can hear a difference between something and something else, we can measure said difference.

The probability that this article will shatter all myths and end the discussion once and for all is absolutely nil. As creatures of habit, we like what we like. That part is subjective. I’ll try my best attempt to stay away from hearsay “noise” and stick to the facts.

In fact, there are distinct differences that must be reinforced throughout the discussion. The primary difference is in the application of the amplifier. If the amplifier is on stage, used in a performance, certain distortions sound good. They enhance the performance in perhaps a bass amplifier or guitar amplifier. We wouldn’t want an absolutely pure amplifier in these applications.

On the other hand, if we are in a playback room listening to a recording, or perhaps in a home theater environment looking for the utmost in accuracy, we seek a different amplifier altogether. In that case we want something that is absolutely pure. Most applications lie between these two points, but both extremes must be discussed.

Our Hearing

What can we actually hear? The answer may startle you. At low frequencies, we can discriminate phase to within thousandths of a degree in our heads. This is ultimately what drove all of that low-jitter digital-to-analog converter (DAC) stuff in CD players a few years ago.

Our ears are amazing. It turns out that we can hear jitter at the low end down to fractions of a microsecond. What our brain does with that information is even more amazing. The brain interprets this as a wishy-washy soundstage and muddy bass. We can also hear subtle differences in music passages that are 130 dB down from the highest signals. Then there’s the matter of bandwidth.

This brings us to the statement, “If we can hear it, we can measure it!” I wholeheartedly agree. The trouble is that if our head has 130-dB dynamic range and can discriminate phase at or near phase-locked loop (PLL) levels, that 90-dB notch filter-type distortion analyzer isn’t even close. But there are folks that make wonderful instrumentation for audio measurements. It’s not cheap, but their equipment can measure anything we can hear—if used properly.

So what are we actually hearing? The answer is complicated because when you compare a solid-state amplifier and a tube amplifier in a given application, there are many interactions in the equipment beyond the quantum, small signal, and large signal events in the active devices.

The capacitors, transformers, speakers, resistors, gain stages, inverter stages, cabling, and damping factor all have an impact on sound quality. In most cases, the vacuum tube circuit topology is so different that we are hearing stuff well beyond the active devices. Let’s explore these things one by one (see the figure).

Resistors

Any discussion of resistors needs to go back to the fundamental resistor noise equation:

V2= 4*K*T*R*Δf

where K is Boltzman’s constant (1.374e-23 joule/degree Kelvin), T is the temperature in degrees Kelvin, R is the resistance, and ?f is the bandwidth. This is the noise contribution of the ideal resistor—in the absence of any other effects. But there are other effects.

Carbon composition resistors aren’t that great for audio. At high voltages, they are horrible. The carbon material has all sorts of micro-arcing issues that make huge noise contributions well beyond the fundamental resistor noise. In terms of noise temperature, carbon comp resistors should be about the worst type.

Also, the carbon film material in the input attenuators and pre-amplifier potentiometers is horrible for noise performance. But sometimes there’s just not much we can do about that. If somebody upgraded my Fender Twin tube guitar amp, retrofitted with JBL E120 speakers, to digital potentiometers instead of knobs, I’d tar and feather them. Those knobs, and quite possibly the noise they make, are part of the bravado and character of that amplifier. I wouldn’t play Beethoven’s fifth through it from a pure digital source with outboard DACs, but it does wail nicely.

For high-power applications, if you must consider a wirewound resistor, choose the Dale wirewound series in the aluminum blocks, with part numbers that end in “-NH” or someone else’s equivalent. These devices are “counterwound,” which I’ve always interpreted as perhaps winding one layer clockwise (CW), then winding the next layer counterclockwise (CCW), keeping an even number of layers.

Winding the resistors in this fashion minimizes inductance. The flux from the CW solenoid nearly cancels the flux from the concentric CCW solenoid. If you absolutely need minimal inductance, consider the metal-oxide slab resistors akin to those found in dc-to-daylight RF dummy loads. These components are available as snubber resistors in very low resistance values from Ohmite and others.

Capacitors

Capacitors are an important topic in the audio world, though not insanely complex. Consider a simple example. Say you have a component with a dielectric material with a large voltage coefficient of capacitance, perhaps a multi-layer ceramic capacitor (MLCC). Should you use it in a pre-amplifier or sensitive audio circuit? No! That voltage coefficient of capacitance means that as the voltage across the two-terminal device changes, the capacitance changes too. We can see this from the fundamental capacitor equation:

I = C(dV/dt) + V(dC/dt)

The V(dC/dt) part looks new, but it’s simply the chain rule of differentiation. In most applications it is zero and forgotten. For a small signal coming into this capacitor, the minor voltage fluctuations will cause minor capacitance fluctuations. These fluctuations produce unwanted distortion currents that get exponentially worse with higher throughput signal levels.

That’s easy enough to see. But we can’t help but wonder: For a few microvolts from an electric guitar or condenser microphone, can we really hear that distortion current? The answer is yes and the levels are nothing short of amazing. It turns out that we are hearing differences that are 90 to 130 dB down.

Piezoelectric effects also can add distortion. If the MLCC housing structure deflects at all, there is distortion. For fun, try this: Replace a polypropylene cap on the input stage of a good pre-amplifier with a large, high-voltage MLCC disc capacitor of the same value. Then coil up your index finger and ping it in situ with a little gain on the output.

Don’t do this with speakers that you like. You’ll be surprised. The voice coil jumps out pretty hard and makes a loud popping sound. This is purely the piezoelectric effect under “macrophonic” excitation. (Normally, these components are much less aggravated by microphonic excitation from the transducer output making them wiggle slightly.)

As to which capacitors are best, this gets subjective once again. However, I strongly recommend that anyone looking for “the truth” on audio capacitors—whether in the signal path, crossover, or bypassing stages—take a serious look at Cyril Bateman’s “Capacitor Sound.” This first appeared in Electronics World starting in July of 2002 (www.scribd.com/doc/2610442/Capacitor-Sound). A more comprehensive listing with better images can be found at www.proaudiodesignforum.com/forum/php/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=153&start=2.

Seeking the truth on capacitors, Bateman rolled up his sleeves and developed oscillators and analyzers to find it. He goes through polypropylene caps, electrolytics, and many others for coupling as well as decoupling/bypassing. This is the best work I’ve seen to date on the subject, and he remains agnostic throughout the work. He also gets into the details and intricacies of building the analyzer to measure capacitor distortion products.

Some of his later works were on a standalone distortion meter, distortion versus bias in capacitors, and real-time analysis methods. They all appeared in Electronics World between roughly 2002 and 2003. (I tried finding a contact for Bateman and I could not find it. If anyone has this, please post it in the comments below.)

Inductors

Any inductor in the audio path, whether the B+ filter choke that might be integrated into the magnetic structure of an old juke box loudspeaker, feeding the plates of some 6550s or 6L6s, or the inductors in the crossovers, must be carefully considered at design. When we saturate the core material, we are pounding the structure into and out of saturation at twice the frequency of the program material applied. This can give rise to offensive distortion products that will increase sharply with increasing amplitude of the driven signal. This sharp rise results from the fundamental equation that describes the inductor:

V = –L(di/dt) + I(dL/dt).

In most applications, dL/dt is zero, so we simply ignore it. In the audio arena, however, when the inductor saturates, the inductance drops. Thus, dL/dt creates a voltage distortion product. Some take this to mean, “only use air-core inductors,” even where that’s not practical. Others do a wonderful job designing structures on laminations, amorphous tapes, and powdered iron materials and simply stay away from saturation and/or use materials that saturate gradually. Others just use ferrites and stay well away from BSat.

Transformers

Audio output transformers are tough to design. For an output transformer, we need a device that does not saturate at 20 Hz and has low enough leakage inductance to allow 20-kHz signals with absolutely minimal attenuation. Magnetically, this means that we need a huge magnetizing inductance for the 20-Hz end of the spectrum and really low leakage inductance for the 20-kHz end. We also need a core and materials that exhibit very low eddy-current losses and skin-effect losses at the frequencies at hand.

The windings must be arranged such that the throughput signal response is as flat as possible between the two band edges. This isn’t easy. The windings also have to have minimal skin-effect and proximity-effect losses, as well as minimal capacitance from turn to turn and bank to bank. The design further has to provide acceptable insulation between primary and secondary in tube circuits.

There are many schools of thought, books, and resources on the subject. The most notable one that comes to mind is by Meeno Van Der Veen (www.next-tube.com/articles/Veen2/Veen2EN.pdf). However, Jenson, McIntosh, and many others have done great work. Some go with toroidal structures due to their near-zero leakage flux. Some go with EI lamination stacks and painstakingly wound bobbins. Some wind both the bobbin and the core.

Consider a first-order shot at a practical example. If we have a 200-W (sine) output stage with devices that can swing between roughly 0 and 500 V in a push-pull configuration, we have ±500 V of excitation at the primary. We need to get this signal to an 8-Ω speaker. The output impedance then looks close to

(500 V/1.414)2/200 W

or about 625 Ω (assuming the impedance looking into the plates is equivalent to that of the transformer). We need to match this to 8 Ω. So, the turns ratio must be about 9:1.

If the magnetizing and leakage inductance are to add less than 1% to this impedance, the leakage inductance impedance contribution must be 625 Ω/0.01 or 62.5 k Ω at 20 Hz. This works out to roughly 500 H. The leakage inductance needs to be 1% of 625 Ω or 6.25 Ω at 20 kHz. This works out to 50 µH. So we have a structure than needs an Lmag of 500 H and an Llk of 50 µH. That makes Lmag/Llk = 1x107. That’s a chore!

In the switch-mode power supply (SMPS) world, we get happy when Lmag/Llk approaches 102 or 103. The people that design those 765-kV transformers get giddy when Lmag/Llk = 104 at 60 Hz. The purists’ transformers are 60 dB on that at three decades of bandwidth! 

And we haven’t even discussed the capacitive interactions between those two points and how to minimize that to keep the overall transfer function flat within fractions of a dB. The output transformers used in guitar and bass amplifiers are sometimes run in saturation on low notes or passages. Again, this would be for an on-stage application. 

Transducers

Audio transducers range from arrays of electrostatic panels to magnetostatic panels, to electrostatic speakers that modulate a flame, to magnetic structures with voice coils, ribbons, and diaphragms. They also represent the wildest, most varied section in this discussion. Transducers are one of the many subjects that can provoke the “you’re an idiot” response, with the closed-minded originators tossing a few expletives around and sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming “la, la, la. I can’t hear you.” But it’s not that bad.

Asking for an audio transducer is like asking a machinist for a bolt. What kind? What are you doing with it? What are the limits? Where does it need to fit? What obstructions are there? Each of these questions has driven incredible innovations in transducer (and bolt) design. To go through all of the transducers would require a book. But the salient points of any driver selection are the desired frequency response, required enclosure volume, excursion, maximum sound pressure, compression point, distortion, bandwidth, and efficiency.

The secret sauce of most high-end drivers lies in the second-order attributes, like the damping discussion below. Live audio monitors will tend toward high sound pressure level (SPL) designs, compromising a little directivity, and perhaps distortion to bring a full program to every seat in the house. Instrument amplifiers are designed much the same. Studio monitors will tend to focus on the brutal truth and keep the playback as accurate as possible. These drivers will compromise efficiency for accuracy. Ear-bleeding SPL isn’t required in a playback environment—at least theirs. In mine, I can go really loud!

Damping

The issue of damping is another tough discussion. Damping is a second-order interaction between the amplifier and the loudspeaker. At low frequencies, critical damping sounds and feels tight. Underdamping can sound great at live or loud venues, although if we have a very underdamped response in a high-Q transducer, it just ends up sounding like a tuned organ pipe that only knows one note. A slightly underdamped reproduction of a snare drum hit can be felt in your chest. Overdamped reproduction sounds muddy at low frequencies.

At higher frequencies, we hear artifacts of damping. This gets interesting fast. In a midrange or midbass driver, assuming the structure has a stiff suspension and significant dc flux in the gap, the voice coil is of substantial size to apply enough flux to the gap to make the cone and suspension system move fairly efficiently, and the driver has a fairly low total Q, there will be bell modes on the cone. These bell modes are simple harmonics. Some transducer designers have boosted this effect by adding aluminum dustcaps to allow higher-frequency material a path of less resistance to the ether.

A solid-state amplifier with lots of feedback and an ultra-low resultant output impedance will not allow these bell modes to originate. It will damp them, usually with a very high damping ratio. Some advertise numbers on the order of 104. Yet I can’t figure out how they actually get there when the speaker cable has a dc resistance on the order of 20 mΩ (round trip for 10AWG, 10-ft tandem at room temp or 20-ft total path length, not taking into account inductance or capacitance). This would then make the damping factor into an 8-? load around 400 assuming the output impedance of the amplifier was zero.

From a practical standpoint, a damping ratio higher than six or seven can’t really be discerned at any audible frequency in A/B (user comparison) testing, so we need not get terribly worried about the claimed exponent. On the other hand, the higher output impedance of the basic tube amplifier, whether push-pull or single-ended, allows these bell modes to radiate.

Nelson Pass did a lot of research on this subject, but he’s certainly not the only one. John Eargle alluded to this all the time, as did James Bullough Lansing and even Cyril Bateman. The main idea of the research that was done on this subject was that high-end midrange drivers need to “speak for themselves.” That is, damping the bell modes is a bad idea. It results in a bad sound compared to not damping these modes.

This can be verified quite simply. Take your favorite high-SPL, low-Q midrange driver in a decent, properly designed enclosure. Play some material into the driver from a solid-state amplifier with ultra-low output impedance and a high damping ratio. Then put a fair amount of resistance—equal to or greater than the transducer impedance—in series with the driver. This makes the source impedance look much higher.

Play the same program again. (Recompensate your phon/Fletcher-Munson curves if you are a loudness fanatic.) You will hear a much warmer, sweeter reproduction. This comes directly from the bell modes of the cone and or dustcap of the driver being allowed to resonate as opposed to being damped.

If you try this with a lesser quality driver, you will notice the opposite effect. The lower damping factor sounds worse. This is strictly related to the transducer design and the transfer function from voice coil flux in the magnetic gap to acoustic output in the ether.

There are also higher-frequency resonant modes in horn/driver configurations. In most cases, these modes must be damped or the reproduction will “honk” somewhere in the midrange or high end. In other words, the resonance colors the transducer output to add a ring or a honk to notes and passages that were otherwise inert.

Next Up

The discussion to this point shows how complex the issue of tubes versus transistors is even before getting into the active devices themselves. Part 2 will delve into the differences between the active devices and the amplifier topologies and make clear why the material on the passive devices is necessary. The comparison is not straightforward at all, and when we forced it to be a straightforward comparison the results were surprising.

Discuss this Article 24

ne5534
on Mar 15, 2012
I would interject a comment about "Aluminum Encased Power Resistors". These are NOT what you want to put audio through. The aluminum body entirely circles the wirewound coil, and it acts like a shorted turn transformer. For DC applications this is unimportant. But for high freq AC applications this is a really bad idea. It does not matter that the coil is "non-inductively" wound. At high frequencies like 20kHz the losses in the aluminum are very nonlinear and produce significant distortion. It is very audible in passive crossovers, and can be easily measured as well. It is far better to use a cheap bath-tub ceramic wirewound resistor. The last thing you want is any coil with a metallic enclosure around it.
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Juan Raúl Couto Domínguez (not verified)
on Feb 7, 2012
The original web page of Cyril Bateman in web.archive.org:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091027010115/http://uk.geocities.com/cyrilb...

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hank
on Sep 22, 2012
If you get perfect, repeatable reproduction of a piece of music -- the very same each time -- it will be less and less interesting each time. That's how our brains work. It's the slight differences that make our attention come online. I'd bet that's part of the perceived difference between audio from the two kinds of amplifiers. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=attention+novelty
Geoffrey Reed (not verified)
on Dec 1, 2011
So far this is one of the most intellegent discussions of the subject I've seen. I can't wait to see what you have to say about the tubes and transistors themselves.. You make some good points about damping factor. Especially that well designed drivers, that produce harmonic content to a small degree, but that are "good sounding," may sound better, smoother, ( I would say mellower ) when less damped, while poorly designed drivers ("harsh"), may sound harsher when less damped. An amps theoretical Internal "Damping factor " in the multiple thousands cannot be practically reached. There are always those (especially spec fanaitcs ) who think that if "some is good, then more is better". As for bell tones being simple harmonics,.. while I wish that were so,.. I believe the term refers to bell modes which also give rise to sum and difference frequencies, what they call "cone cry" in the guitar amp world, "wolf tones" in the stringed instrument world or "intermodulation distortion" in the Hi End Audio world. Overdriven speakers whose cones "break up" may certainly produce frequencies related to the cones natural resonances by harmonic, but unrelated to the driving frequency, except by sum and difference. So for example a cone that resonates at 50 hz may support a "bell mode" of 900 hz 50 X 18 and might recreate that ring modulation tone when the speaker is overdriven with 950 Hz.. A driver may exhibit several resonant modes... IE: the spider, the cone,. the suspension, the basket, bell cover and even the frequency that the voice coil wants to flex at.
I appreciate the comments from Edwin Pettis on induction in wirewound resistors. Especially that it is not a very significant factor. It seems to me that any Audiophile would be hard pressed to hear the difference (tested by blind A/B comparison) between two (single) quality resistors working well within their design spec's. Off course 100s or 1000's of them in a circuit can make a difference thats audible.
engineer_bill
on Dec 2, 2011
Overall, the piece seems a rather superficial treatment of a very complex subject. I realize it's only part 1, but huge considerations like voltage coefficient of resistance of resistors isn't even mentioned. Then there's a typo that confuses magnetizing and leakage inductances when he talks about transformers ... and I sure wish you'd check the spelling of Jensen (it's NOT Jenson as printed). I have several considerations that I'd add to all articles of this ilk. Here's one: An extremely important difference betweeen a vacuum tube and a solid-state device of any sort involves the rather strong inter-electrode capacitance variation with voltage (signal) seen in all semiconductors ... and it's complete absence in vacuum thermionic devices. And then there's the effect of "too much bandwidth" and ultrasonic intermodulation that regurgitates non-harmonically-related spectral components when active signal chains are challenged with even small magnitudes of ultrasonic energy (clock residue in digital systems or stylus "rattle" in vinyl disc playback, for example). Deane Jensen called this "spectral contamination" in a 1988 paper. Another is so-called speaker damping factor. As Richard Clark pointed out 20 years ago, the main limitation (overlooked by 99% of "experts") is the resistance of the speaker voice coil itself. Even if the terminals of the speaker are a dead short, restraining mechanical force on the cone comes from current flow in the voice coil as the voice coil attempts to move. This current is limited by the resistance of the coil itself (typically a large fraction of the speaker's rated impedance). Arguing about additional milli-ohms of loop resistance contributed by the amplifier is ridiculous ... almost as ridiculous as the inference that lowering amplifier output Z from 2 milli-ohms to 1 will double the actual damping of the speaker cone ... this is pure marketing crap! Bill Whitlock, president/chief engineer, Jensen Transformers and AES Life Fellow
Ed P.
on Mar 10, 2012
Sorry for dropping the ball, I got busy and forgot about this. To answer your question Paul about an inductance spec for wire wound precisions, it is complicated. The inductance, if the Q is sufficient, depends on several factors, the size of the bobbin, how many pi it has, how many turns of wire per pi and how the windings are laid in the pi. In other words, the inductance can vary all over the place. Since only fairly low values has actual inductance, the inductance can be controlled to some degree. I once saw a chart purporting to show the inductance of several bobbin types vs resistance, the so-called values were on very jagged, upward rising inductances with rising resistance. The chart was totally worthless, the chart didn't even follow actual impedance curves with frequency. Wire wound precisions do have distributed capacitance, again, some of the capacitance is in paralllel with the actual resistance so the Q is rather low but there is a small capacitance from pi to pi which does have a significant Q. Fortunately, this capacitance is in series with each pi, in effect, the capacitance of a two pi bobbin is approximately half of what a single pi bobbin would be, a four pi bobbin would be about one fourth and so on. This reactance is the dominate reactance in most WW precisions, not inductance as is commonly believed. A direct measurement of the individual capacitive reactances is difficult given the low Q but a lumped sum measurement of the entire resistor impedance is much easier. Most likely Paul, what you were seeing with that 8 ohm resistor was a combination of a little inductance and some distributed capacitance, the combination was possibly fairly reactive at 500KHz. There is another winding technique often referred to as the basket weave that interlaces the windings, some RF coils use that. It also attempts to minimize parasitics, it is rarely used in resistors.
Ed P.
on Nov 30, 2011
Since resistors are my field of expertise, I will comment on the perception of inductance in wire wound resistors. Quite a few years ago, I was involved in quantifying tests of wire wound resistors, this covered most of the salient points such as frequency 'response' and parasitic capacitive and inductive effects. While the primary interest of the tests was for precision wire wounds, power wire wounds were also examined. A properly made precision wire wound resistor has the lowest possible noise of any type of resistor, very close to the theoretical in level, no other resistance type can match it. One other fact is that wire wound resistors do not have any 1/f noise, commonly referred to as flicker or shot noise, all other resistor types have it.

At best, a wire wound resistor is a very poor inductor (except <<100 ohms)given that any inductance is in parallel with a given coil (i.e. winding) of resistance, hence high values of resistance are very lossy and have low 'Q's, even megohm values can rarely be above a 'Q' of 10 while medium values are in the range of <<5-10 (in upper kilo ohms). This in effect reduces the apparent inductance to well below a theoretical inductance made with copper wire with the same number of turns and pi (this is what each 'section' of a resistor's winding(s) are called) construction. In precisions, there are between two and six pi usually on a given bobbin. In the range of >100 ohms to a few kilo ohms, the 'Q' rapidly drops below a 'Q' of 1, swamping out any inductance.

In the case of power resistors of the lower ohm types (<100 ohms), the inductance approaches the 'normal' value of a copper inductor and the inductance is similar to a theoretical calculated value for a given winding. The so-called non-inductive Aryton-Perry type winding mentioned in the article, where there are two windings (in parallel) in opposite directions, do indeed reduce the apparent inductance of the resistor, although it does not approach a complete redu
tecsplus
on Jun 4, 2012
Regarding the comment by Larry Ober, could it be that the human phase error detection would be relative to two audio sources, i.e., separate speakers outputting the same low frequency audio signal? I had a situation with my home stereo where there were some weird room reflections at bass frequencies, and I kept on reversing one of the speaker leads thinking they were wired out of phase. It drove me nuts until I figured it out and changed the speaker placements.
lrdiver
on May 24, 2012
Well now wait a minite on that statement on the ear detecting phase within thousandths of a degree at low frequency. I think you are off in the weeds here. By my calculations 1 degree at 20Hz amounts to 1.833 inches. I for one cannot tell any difference if I listen to a 20Hz tone and move my head 1.8". Actually I'm lucky if I can tell what end of the room it's comming from. Frankly there have been AB tests ad nausieum and basically if the equipment is performing with any degree of reason, blind testing fails to seperate tubes and transistors. I will agree that the mind can in fact create what ever it wants to hear.
bcarso
on Nov 28, 2011
Nice discussion.

One thing that comes to mind regarding the damping factor and the transducers: What did the designer and manufacturer intend? What sort of setup was used to verify the results? Wouldn't that be the place to start? And although few have access to adequate acoustical measurement equipment, what is the overall result for a given damping factor and transducer in terms of linear and nonlinear distortions, and transient response? Are those bell modes what were desired?

In a related connection: every now and then someone gets the "bright" idea that he or she should load phono cartridges in some wildly-different way than the manufacturer recommends, as if he or she is the first person on the planet to consider such a thing. This is often the result of looking at the lumped circuit approximation and not having the mechanical ones handy. Well, you certainly will get a different-sounding result, and with the prideful bias usually attendant may even prefer it. But rarely has the original designer screwed up, and the configuration she or he has suggested has taken the mechanical properties into account as well as the electrical.

Brad
paul schimel (not verified)
on Dec 2, 2011
Good Afternoon All.
This certainly attracted some expert opinions, which is great. I'll try to answer some of the questions as best I can.

Brad Wood had a question on the damping factor of the transducers and what the manufacturer intended. I've workd with a lot of different transducers in various loudspeaker designs and choosing a good midrange is always the toughest part. Truthfully, I don't know what damping factor was intended, but if you work with "the good stuff" like a JBLE120 or E130, these drivers really sound better with low damping factor. They were designed as full range drivers, with fairly high compression points. It's not as though we are pushing the structure beyond compression into cone breakup. it just sounds really good with low damping. I'm not sure if Jimmy B Lansing intended that or if it was simply and artifact. My guess is that he intended it at the transducer design stages, but I have no evidence on the datasheet for the driver to back that up. I've seen this on other drivers as well. You mention seeing crazy loading on phonograph cartridges once in a while....I've seen similar 'breakthroughs' on dynamic microphones.

Edwin Pettis: thanks for the resistor discussion. I should have mentioned the lack of shot noise in the wirewounds. The reason I brought up the -NH discussion or the Arton Perry winding method (thanks....I didn't know there was a name associated with that construction method) was some class D audio work that I did once upon a time with a 'nonfiltered' output stage. I found that the inductance of the 8ohm -NH wirewounds was very large at the switching frequency. for the tests we were doing, that was prohibitive. I think fsw was on the order of 500KHz for that project. I was able to neutralize the wirewound resistors with parallel R-C series network, but I ended up using the thick film MOX slab resistors for that load. For really high resistances, I've always admired the (see next post)
Ed P.
on Nov 30, 2011
reduction. This winding type cannot be applied to higher value resistors due to the requirement of two parallel windings, it is generally limited to under ~1 K ohms depending on the size of the resistor core.

In many instances, precision wire wound resistors can be used in audio circuits with little or no effects on the signal, the perception that they possess 'high' inductance values is quite incorrect. Depending on the particular construction, the frequency response is quite flat to well beyond audio frequencies.

One other note concerning capacitors, like resistors, they have an inherent noise component as well, but it is inversely proportional to the value of capacitance, hence small values of capacitance have higher noise than large value capacitors. This fact appears to be rather unknown in general circles of discussion.
w5hro
on Aug 31, 2012
It all boils down to distortion. When listening to music via audio amplifiers they are more enjoyable to listen to if they produce a certain amount of distortion. The difference is what type of distortion? Well, an amplifier that produces good even order harmonic distortion (as with vacuum tubes) has a much more pleasant sound compared to one that produces harsh odd order harmonic distortion (as with transistors). Its basically that simple. If someone builds two amplifiers, one using tubes and the other using transistors and they remove all distortion products from both and make them as clean as possible then they are completely missing the point and the reason why tube amps sound better. You want distortion. The crappiest sound systems I have ever listened to are the ones that produced the most minimal distortion products and it didn't matter whether tubes or transistors were used. I think an explanation of why tubes produce the good even order harmonics is because when the signal moves beyond the linear range of the tube it distorts with a smooth curve instead of a sudden sharp edged cutoff like with transistors. The harmonics added to the signal are of lower energy using tubes and usually 2nd order even harmonics provided the tubes are not driven into hard clipping. Just soft clipping most transistors (including FET's) will produce the sharp edges thus producing the bad 3rd order odd harmonics. Tube amplifiers also have high Z inputs resulting in trouble free loads for music frequency signals. Transistors amps usually have low Z inputs. So less quality in, less quality out. That's another factor. One thing to keep in mind though is that with tube amps the speaker impedance will vary in value with the music frequency signal and amplitude because they generally have high output impedances. Since tube amps are most always transformer coupled to the speakers for that reason the amplifier should have some type of negative feedback connected.
rgaze
on Jun 5, 2012
In regard to what we can hear: when I worked for McIntosh briefly in 1956, I had occasion to make comparative measurements of the McIntosh MC-30 and contemporary Williamson-type amplifiers. Operating the amplifiers at equal total harmonic distortion levels (we considered 1% good in those days) there was a significant difference in the output spectrum. The Williamson amplifiers' distortion was dominated by low-order, 3rd, 5th, etc. odd harmonics. The McIntosh produced an almost flat distribution of odd and even-order products over a wide bandwidth. I wish I could recollect the exact words that a musician with no technical background used to describe to me the difference he heard. I wonder if the same sort of spectral differences apply to other amplifier comparisons, as THD may not tell the whole story. Your observations on transformer design bring up a significant difference between the McIntosh and Williamson transformers. The Williamson transformer had a complicated cross-section, wound in multiple pi's, with shielding and balancing windings. In contrast, the McIntosh transformer primaries were wound in a continuous solenoidal winding, using multifilar wire, on a Hypersil C-core. The Australian classic Radiotron Designers' Handbook (www.ax84.com/rdh4.html) has a great deal of information on transformer design (Section 5.3, pp. 217-227 particularly) and on various amplifier designs(Section 13.8).
Ed P.
on Mar 10, 2012
I have one note about speaker damping, some speakers actually benefit from a positive damping rather than a negative damping factor. I have a circuit which is inserted into the transformer secondary, which varies the damping from positive to negative, in series with the speaker. This allows the user to find the best damping value which works with a given speaker. It is noted that many speakers will sound worse with positive damping but some sound much better, it is entirely a trial and error function.
Andrew_P
on Aug 7, 2012
People who insist they can hear the difference between a tube amplifier and a transistor amplifier usually can't, when an A/B blind comparison is made through the same loudspeakers and the amplifiers aren't being overdriven. The same goes for 16 gauge zip lead speaker wires with tin plated jacks and plugs and the so-called "Monster Cables" with gold plated jacks and plugs. It's a great way for audio equipment manufacturers to make more money, though, by selling the sizzle instead
Ed P.
on Nov 30, 2011
Sorry about the broken up comment below, please read the bottom one first.
Andrew_P
on Aug 8, 2012
(Sorry, my browser crashed and truncated the comment. Here it is again, complete.) People who insist they can hear the difference between a tube amplifier and a transistor amplifier usually can't, when an A/B blind comparison is made through the same loudspeakers and the amplifiers aren't being overdriven. The same goes for 16 gauge zip lead speaker wires with tin plated jacks and plugs and the so-called "Monster Cables" with gold plated jacks and plugs. It's a great way for audio equipment manufacturers to make more money, though, by selling the sizzle instead of the steak.
paul schimel (not verified)
on Dec 2, 2011
For high resistance values I've always admired the thick film resistors that tektronix used to make in those sandbar castings. those had nearly ideal noise signatures, even when glowing cherry red. yes, they had shot noise, but the theoretical minimum. Very low inductance too, but as you mention that's easy above a thousand ohms or so. I guess my question to you is why are the inductance values for the wirewound resistance called out in the datasheets? It's easy enough to measure and neutralize if needed, but I've never seen the specification called out. Perhaps some vendors do and I just haven't seen this.

Geoffrey Reed brought up some 'guitar speaker' attributes like cone breakup and resonant modes being exacerbated beyond the compression point of the driver. The stuff I was talking about with the E120 was well before that SPL. Looking at lots of data, the E120 truly was a full range driver and I think they simply took advantage of various resonances and bell modes in the dustcap, cone, etc. It always seemed like that family of drivers was odd that way.

Bill Whitlock: I didn't mean to originate pure marketing crap. As to the damping factor discussion, I see specs all the time that advertise damping factors in the tens of thousands for various amplifiers. based on a little approximation with 10AWG wire, I don't see how that can be true. Yes, on the driver I agree that we are bounded by the high DCR. The question that I've always pondered is what if we exploited the latest 1.5T N52 magnetic material and changed the game. Less turns, thicker edgewound single layer copper, larger voicecoil OD. The saliency would then improve, but we'd need to match the impedance once again. I'd think the efficiency would go up substantially, or we'd simply do as modern motors do: drive it with an inverter right at the end bell (or frame in our case). Good catch on the leakage inductance misnomer where first used. I can check my work 500 times and pass over the same mistake.
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