What’s All This Mac Complaint Stuff, Anyhow?

Obviously, when I make serious complaints like these, I have to check them within an inch of their lives—and I did. These are the problems with my MacBook, which I bought on March 14, 2009. Its operating system is OS X, or 10.5.7, also code named “Leopard.” These are also problems and errors in The Missing Manual (“The book that should have been in the box…”) by David Pogue, copyright 2007 and 2008, ISBN 978-0-596-52952-9, about $40. Importantest things first…

AA1. The computer refuses to “Save as Draft” if it is not connected to a server or if the link is down. I was losing important, carefully crafted documents. Very annoying. The only thing I really need my computer to do is to save what I type, and it has been failing to do that—at least twice.

AA2. The computer fails to warn you that “Save as Draft” is NOT going to save.

AA3. David Pogue’s book and five other computer books on this specific computer are unable to tell you how to turn off that “Save Drafts to Server.” They are not even aware of it.

AA4. Books do not tell you why you may want to “Save to Server.”

AA5. Books do not tell you why you may not want to “Save to Server.”

AA6. Hint: If you are on a beach, or up on a mountain, and you need to save, it probably won’t work. You couldn’t even recover information from your recent draft.

AA7. The path to turn it off is Byzantine: Mail/Preferences/Accounts/Mailbox Behavior/X Save Drafts on Server. It is way down on a sub-sub-menu.

AA8. My son did not know about this and couldn’t find it.

AA9. My wife could not find it for the longest time.

AA10. Apple’s search engine was unable to search it up.

AA11. Apple’s Spotlight was unable to spot it.

AA12. Apple’s Finder was not able to find it.

AA13. Apple’s Help was not able to help.

AA14. The computer expert I talked to in Cupertino does not know about this “Save to Server,” nor how to turn it off.

AA15. Finally my wife made a lucky guess, a lucky find, and asked me sweetly, “Is THIS what you are looking for?” I shut it off.

Now when I ask for “Save As Draft,” it saves to my hard drive. At least it seems to....

BB1. Mr. Pogue and the five other authors all omit the same information in their books, because...

BB2. They only print what Apple tells them to print. Circumstantial evidence proves this. And…

BB3. They do not check to see if their instructions work—or not! They print bad, obsolete instructions that don’t work. And all the books use the same phrases.

BB4. The books all have mediocre indexes. Even if there is good info in there, you may not be able to find it.

CC1. Apple keeps making nice improvements in its computer, but...

CC2. Apple doesn’t document these changes, and…

CC3. Apple neglects to give up-to-date information to the “authors.”

CC4. Most of the books are bad. Heck, all of them are bad because they are so deficient and wrong—wrong with the same phrases!

CC5. I wish I could tell you that Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard by Robin Williams is better, but it’s not. It’s made from the same bad advice as the others.

DD1. I tried to figure out how to use fonts. The instructions were too vague. Useless.

DD2. I kept looking for a “Just Do It” command, and there isn’t any.

DD3. The procedure is disarmingly simple: mark the desired text, go to Fonts, indicate the font you want, turn it on, and then turn it off. The marked text is converted to the new font. It’s marvelous, but utterly inobvious, undocumented, and not in the books.

DD4. I think this is different from what my son tried to tell me. Again, Apple “improved it” until the older published instructions that used to work now do not work.

EE1. I was getting .pdf files from my editors. The print was too small to read. Pogue’s book gave advice on how to zoom in, and it didn’t work.

EE2. My son tried to tell me what to do, by phone, and that didn’t work.

EE3. When my son came over, he showed me four elegant ways to zoom in, and they were all slightly different from the book’s instructions. All you have to do is double-click on the document, and then you can zoom in. But the books don’t tell you that you have to double-click.

FF1. I tried to find info on how to block the arrival (over a dialup line) of very large e-mail files, such as 2, 4, 8, 16, or 32 Mbits. The books have zero info.

FF2. My son was able to provide a good way to do this.



GG1. IMAP is a good way to run an e-mail system. Why? Books may have a quarter page on this. Skimpy.

GG2. The books have minimum info on why you may want to and why you may not want to.

GG3. In IMAP, your e-mails and mailboxes are stored on the server. They are not saved on your hard drive. So in case your computer crashes, you may lose access to e-mails or your address list for hours or days. I did.

HH1. Modern books brag that a Mac can run reliably for months.

HH2. Mine has to be turned off and restarted (rebooted) about once a week, on average. This does not correlate with anything I am doing.

HH3. Sometimes my Airport (wireless) link has to be turned off and on, every three weeks.

HH4. Sometimes my Safari gets turned off, every week or two. I have to beg it to restart.

I I 1. I wanted to be able to make subscripts and superscripts in e-mail. The index was so poor, it took me an hour to figure out that there was no mention of them—and the Mac can’t do it.

I I 2. When I bought a cheap Coleco ADAM 25 years ago, it was able to write and print subscripts and superscripts.

I I 3. I wanted to be able to count the number of words and/or bytes in a document. The index was so poor, it took me an hour to figure out that there was no mention of this—and the Mac can’t do it.

I I 4. If the basic Mac can’t do this, it would be nice if a book could tell me what to buy so I could. 

I I 5. Should I get Open Office? I once tried it and it crashed and disappeared. Should I try it again? I’m nervous.

OO1. I discovered a nice new feature. If you do a “Save to Draft” and then start typing on the draft, there is a nice Autosave for the text, about 15 seconds after you type.

OO2. If you like this, the books still do not tell you about it.

OO3. If you do not like Autosave, you get no warning.

OO4. If you figure out that there is an Autosave, you can do a workaround so that your text is not Autosaved; or it can be; or both; but only after you figure out that there is one, which the books are utterly unaware of.

PP1. I found a place where if you go to a saved draft of a document, and you type in the wrong place, the memo seems to disappear. Maybe it does disappear, and maybe it is just hidden. And it can be tricky to find.

PP2. My wife says, “Well, it has to be somewhere. Look in the Trash.” It’s not hidden in the Trash.

PP3. If you think a memo is lost, you may decide that you had better retype it, which is more wasted time, even if it’s not completely lost, but just misplaced and you can’t find it.

QQ1. The auto-complete for e-mail addresses usually works pretty well, but…

QQ2. Sometimes when I would type in “robe,” it would sometimes finish up at Robert.A.Pease and other times at czar44@me.com. It would not give me any consistent response. I had to rip up my address book, which is....

QQ3. Not well documented.

QQ4. I asked my son how to get rid of a false address, and he gave me a useful path that works some of the time, but not all of the time.

QQ5. I apparently can’t add a nickname to the address book. Not sure why, but it’s not documented. Like, typing “ = ” could give me my e-mail address. I used to do that in some other systems.

QQ6. If the autocomplete quits working, that is, I have found, a warning that the computer will soon lock up and crash.

RR1. Pogue’s book does not tell you how to shove an e-mail or document into a thumb drive or memory stick or flash drive.

RR2. The book does not tell you how to pull an e-mail or document off a thumb drive or memory stick. It just says, “Just do it,” but it doesn’t explain how to.

RR3. I tried to carry a memory stick over to my wife’s computer and plug it into her USB connector. She has OS 10.4.11. I could not move any files in either direction, to or from the stick. So much for Apple’s “compatibility.”

VV1. One day I had four documents “Saved As Draft.” The next day it told me 104. The next day it told me 22. The next day it told me five. I really don’t need confusion like that.

SS1. My son absentmindedly gave me Thunderbird. I can’t exactly get it to work right. But if I have an important document, I can copy it into T’bird and do a save. After I get the Mac running right, I can go over and rescue it. This has saved my bacon several times when Apple’s Mail refused to Save.

KK1. These are all, above, related to Apple Mail.

KK2. I don’t run a lot of programs, just e-mail to receive and send. And to search the Web on rare occasions, maybe twice a week, using Safari. I don’t do spreadsheets. I don’t do a lot of other wonderful programs because (i) I don’t need them, (ii) I don’t want them; and (iii) I can’t figure out how to use them.

KK3. Below are a couple related to the Safari Web browser. One day, the address line (the place you are supposed to type in the URL) disappeared. Pogue’s instructions to restore it were vague and did not work.

KK4. My son tried to tell me how to do this by phone, and his instructions were out of date and did not work.

KK5. When my son came over later, he figured out a workaround, and that did work. It was slightly different from the obsolete instructions in the books.

TT1. I have three ways to get to www.dogpile.com. One of them is to ask for my home page, and it sends me to dogpile.com. Don’t tell me I typed an error. No typing was involved in getting that bookmark. I just clicked. It used to work. Now it’s botched. Bad memory.

TT2. I don’t think Pogue’s book tells how to get rid of a bad or unwanted bookmark. No, it does not.

WW1. This unhelpful computer sometimes does not do what it’s told. It does not always give the same answer.

WW2. I have wasted so much time on figuring out how weird it is. I should sue Mr. Pogue for loss of consortium. My wife says, “Come to bed,” and I tell her, “I have to figure out what is wrong with this dratted computer—or this book.” Sue for tearing out my hair. Loss of sleep.

WW3. Maybe a class action suit? Do you Mac experts think we should?

WW4. I have regularly been driving my son crazy with strange pleas for help. He is so helpful, but it’s a darned shame he has to put up with all these changes and discrepancies. It must drive him nutso when he hears another plaintive call from me.

WW5. I always knew IBM or Microsoft users needed a buddy system, but I didn’t know Macs are just as bad.

WW6. This is perhaps getting to be a good computer, if I learn all the workarounds. But it has been one hell of a struggle to find out how to do it and stop losing memos. I have put in many dozens of frustrated hours, even with expert help.

MM1. I tried to use iCAL to set a reminder on its calendar, and the instructions in the books did not work. 

MM2. My son tried to tell me what to do, by phone, and his instructions did not work.

MM3. Of course, my son figured out a workaround. Pogueman says you just type in the colored space. Maybe that used to work, but now you have to type in the not-colored space. Damn the undocumented “improvements.” Apple has so many “nice” features that are so well hidden, you cannot guess where to find them.

XX1. There is a useful program called iGarageband, which sounds like a neat way to record music. But Pogue’s book makes no comment on the specific type of connector you need. It turns out to be a 1/8-in. mini plug.

NN1. I have been taping a lot of reminders to the top cover, because I don’t trust the computer. I used genuine Scotch brand tape.

NN2. My wife told me it looked awful, so I tried to peel off the tape. For an hour it was a horrible struggle.

NN3. After calling my son, he told me to Google up “Remove Tape.” The solution turned out to be butter. No kidding. You still want to peel off most of the tape, but reasonable solvents do not remove the residue. Butter (or lard) does.

LL1. I asked several polite questions of David Pogue, “author” of The Missing Manual, (“The book that should have been in the box”), and got no answer. I did this again and got no answer. After three more weeks, I sent him a strongly worded memo.

LL2. He gave no apologies and no answers to any technical questions. He just said I would not get any response with (nasty) memos like that.

LL3. I assured him that I will definitely get responses on these topics, and I’ll be publishing to 125,000 readers in January.

LL4. Pogueman seems to think if he just ignores me, he can stonewall me, and I will get frustrated and go away.

LL5. But as a muckraker, I don’t work that way. We buy our ink by the barrel. We try to get out the truth.

LL6. Why do I say “pogueman”? Pogue has an e-mail address of david@pogueman.com, so I’m only calling him what he calls himself.

LL7. Pogue claimed that he volunteered to help me with my computer programs. I say he did not volunteer to help me. Ask me about my rebuttal letter.

LL7. I am asking all readers of my column to comment on these and any other unfortunate errors they have found in this pretty good computer or in any of the disastrous books that are supposed to help with the Leopard operating system. Send your comments to me at czar44@me.com.

UU1. I think this computer is jinxed. It’s unreliable.

UU2. I think this computer hates me. But that’s not a surprise. Most (digital) computers do.

UU3. Maybe I should get it replaced under warrantee. It is not reliable.

YY1. Electronic Design extends an offer to Apple Inc. and to David Pogue to comment and reply on anything published in my January 14 column.

ZZ1. That’s okay. I am going to criticize Microsoft and IBM-type PCs next month.

ZZ2. So what’s my point?

ZZ3. I will insist that anybody printing a book about an Apple computer must see that all the commands and instructions do actually work before they push the “start printer” button. I do plan to send all this criticism to each of the other authors. And...

ZZ4. I sure hope Apple can put in a little less effort at changing and “improving” its  computers until they don’t work right. And...

ZZ5. Put in more effort at documenting what the computer is really doing, and the “improvements,” so we poor users can use those “improvements.”

*** Comments invited. / rap/ Send to czar44@me.com

P.S. 1: Recently my son recommended that I store my e-mails in folders, rather than “mailboxes,” but he could not exactly explain why I should.

P.S. 2: It turned out that folders and their contents are (apparently) stored on the hard drive, whereas in this IMAP system, the mailboxes are saved on the server and may thus be inaccessible in case of crashes. So now I have one address list in a mailbox, where it is convenient, and a copy in a folder, where it may be more crash-resistant. Good thing—my computer crashed three times yesterday.

P.S. 3: I used to be able to request a new folder, and the computer would ask me what I would like to name it. Fine, but now the computer has stopped asking me to name it and just lists the new folder as “untitled folder 3” or “untitled folder 4,” and I can’t find any way to change the “title.”

If we find more problems, as I am sure we will, we will find a way to post them somewhere. Maybe right below here?

/ Best regards. / rap /

Discuss this Article 121

N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
capehartjd (not verified)
on Jan 15, 2010
Bob,
I spent 32 years programming first analog computers and then hybrid machines for the U. S. Air Force at WPAFB. Our first digital computer was a Xerox Sigma 7. I learned to program that Sigma 7 in machine language. I mean 1's and 0's because I didn't trust the assembler. The assembler was "software" which meant to me that it was full of someone elses ideas of how things should be done and could change with every revision of which there were many. So I wrote my own simple minded assembler. I programmed that machine for at least ten years and then one day they replaced it with a Modcomp computer and I was no good after that. I switched to microcomputers, which were the latest "new thing" back then, and became the base microcomputer guru. Apple computers were "toys" back then and I have never had much to do with them.
My only point in saying all this is just so I coud say; "I think you just bought your Modcomp computer"! Get rid of that thing NOW! Give it to your son or sell it and buy a machine you're more familiar with.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Hello to PenguinsinAz,
You are correct that I am not an expert on (digital) computers. But does that mean I don't deserve to have a computer that saves my draft when I hit "Save as Draft"? I'll concede I have wasted some time, trying to learn to drive this machine.

BUT it sounds like you didn't read my list of 65 serious complaints.

Some of them are REAL PROBLEMS with the computer. Sometimes it does different things on different days. The experts in Cupertino cannot explain this. My wife says it is flakey and jinxed and should be recalled as a LEMON. I'm working on this.

I don't need a $99 training course. I already paid $200, and when I go down there, they can't answer my questions. You're right, I'm not an expert, but even a Mac is supposed to be user-friendly for beginners. If I use an Instruction Book, and after I follow the Instructions, and they don't work, don't blame it on me. / rap

N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
capehartjd (not verified)
on Jan 15, 2010
Bob,
I spent 32 years programming first analog computers and then hybrid machines for the U. S. Air Force at WPAFB. Our first digital computer was a Xerox Sigma 7. I learned to program that Sigma 7 in machine language. I mean 1's and 0's because I didn't trust the assembler. The assembler was "software" which meant to me that it was full of someone elses ideas of how things should be done and could change with every revision of which there were many. So I wrote my own simple minded assembler. I programmed that machine for at least ten years and then one day they replaced it with a Modcomp computer and I was no good after that. I switched to microcomputers, which were the latest "new thing" back then, and became the base microcomputer guru. Apple computers were "toys" back then and I have never had much to do with them.
My only point in saying all this is just so I coud say; "I think you just bought your Modcomp computer"! Get rid of that thing NOW! Give it to your son or sell it and buy a machine you're more familiar with.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
capehartjd (not verified)
on Jan 15, 2010
Bob,
I spent 32 years programming first analog computers and then hybrid machines for the U. S. Air Force at WPAFB. Our first digital computer was a Xerox Sigma 7. I learned to program that Sigma 7 in machine language. I mean 1's and 0's because I didn't trust the assembler. The assembler was "software" which meant to me that it was full of someone elses ideas of how things should be done and could change with every revision of which there were many. So I wrote my own simple minded assembler. I programmed that machine for at least ten years and then one day they replaced it with a Modcomp computer and I was no good after that. I switched to microcomputers, which were the latest "new thing" back then, and became the base microcomputer guru. Apple computers were "toys" back then and I have never had much to do with them.
My only point in saying all this is just so I coud say; "I think you just bought your Modcomp computer"! Get rid of that thing NOW! Give it to your son or sell it and buy a machine you're more familiar with.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
capehartjd (not verified)
on Jan 15, 2010
Bob,
I spent 32 years programming first analog computers and then hybrid machines for the U. S. Air Force at WPAFB. Our first digital computer was a Xerox Sigma 7. I learned to program that Sigma 7 in machine language. I mean 1's and 0's because I didn't trust the assembler. The assembler was "software" which meant to me that it was full of someone elses ideas of how things should be done and could change with every revision of which there were many. So I wrote my own simple minded assembler. I programmed that machine for at least ten years and then one day they replaced it with a Modcomp computer and I was no good after that. I switched to microcomputers, which were the latest "new thing" back then, and became the base microcomputer guru. Apple computers were "toys" back then and I have never had much to do with them.
My only point in saying all this is just so I coud say; "I think you just bought your Modcomp computer"! Get rid of that thing NOW! Give it to your son or sell it and buy a machine you're more familiar with.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
PenguinsInAZ (not verified)
on Jan 14, 2010
You appear to have an incredible lack of understanding of computers and the general usage of graphical user interfaces (regardless of platform). Perhaps you have absolutely no knack for anything computer-related at all. Based on the menial tasks that you've complained about in your article, I'd say you're the last person who should be writing an article on the subject at all.

Don't write a nasty three-page article concerning a computer platform and operating system about which you know absolutely nothing. It is a disservice to others who might be considering that system. Sadly, they might consider you to be an expert simply because you have written an article on a website that appears to be a reliable source for good information on electronics.

My suggestion to you is to march down to an Apple Store and pay them $99 for a year-long subscription to the one-to-one training service and schedule as many as you can until you realize that YOU are the problem with the computer, not the computer itself.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
capehartjd (not verified)
on Jan 15, 2010
Bob,
I spent 32 years programming first analog computers and then hybrid machines for the U. S. Air Force at WPAFB. Our first digital computer was a Xerox Sigma 7. I learned to program that Sigma 7 in machine language. I mean 1's and 0's because I didn't trust the assembler. The assembler was "software" which meant to me that it was full of someone elses ideas of how things should be done and could change with every revision of which there were many. So I wrote my own simple minded assembler. I programmed that machine for at least ten years and then one day they replaced it with a Modcomp computer and I was no good after that. I switched to microcomputers, which were the latest "new thing" back then, and became the base microcomputer guru. Apple computers were "toys" back then and I have never had much to do with them.
My only point in saying all this is just so I coud say; "I think you just bought your Modcomp computer"! Get rid of that thing NOW! Give it to your son or sell it and buy a machine you're more familiar with.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have had NONE of these problems with my Macbook Pro - which I bought in June. You are OBSESSED - you definitely need to calm down.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 18, 2010
Bob, when the installed OS and utilities is over 1GB how do you expect a mere single volume of a book to cover everything?

As for the path to the setting for "Save Drafts to Server", its quite obvious to me. This is the whole point of having a GUI is that one can visually explore for commands and options. On the other hand I despise GUI development environments such as Visual Studio and Metrowerks because I do not believe they place options in rational places. And there is no auditing mechanism to archive just what options have been taken or changed since the previous code revision. AVR Studio nicely generates a Makefile with every build which can be archived and diff'ed against previous versions.

As for your disappearing drafts, please consider your ISP is likely the one at fault as Mail.app can't tell you it was lost if the ISP's IMAP server didn't report a problem. Mail.app keeps a local cache of what it sees on the IMAP server and if a message disappears from the server then it will disappear from the local cache without saying anything. This is the intended behavior. IMAP is essentially a remote filesystem optimized for email. The intent is that you can use another computer to access the same account while your email folders are kept in sync. Works for me.

Setting font styles and sizes is covered in Remedial Computing 001 immediately after "Click and Double-click". Its so 1985. Viewing size of a document is a bit more recent. But the part you are missing is that one must tell the Mac just what document you wish to resize. Think you will find it is a single click on the open document, not a double-click. Possibly confusing you is the fact one can scroll a window which is not fully selected.

I suggest you do a right-click (or option-click) on the titlebar of a Preview.app window and do a bit of customization. At the least change the Zoom tool to the one with "- = +" and add the Zoom To Fit tool. I also like to have Page.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Hello to PenguinsinAz,
You are correct that I am not an expert on (digital) computers. But does that mean I don't deserve to have a computer that saves my draft when I hit "Save as Draft"? I'll concede I have wasted some time, trying to learn to drive this machine.

BUT it sounds like you didn't read my list of 65 serious complaints.

Some of them are REAL PROBLEMS with the computer. Sometimes it does different things on different days. The experts in Cupertino cannot explain this. My wife says it is flakey and jinxed and should be recalled as a LEMON. I'm working on this.

I don't need a $99 training course. I already paid $200, and when I go down there, they can't answer my questions. You're right, I'm not an expert, but even a Mac is supposed to be user-friendly for beginners. If I use an Instruction Book, and after I follow the Instructions, and they don't work, don't blame it on me. / rap

HowieBandell@aol.com (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
I have owned my MacBook Pro since June and have had NONE of the problems that you describe. I upgraded to Snow Leopard when it was available - got it for $9 since I had recently bought my computer. Mail works great. No problem setting view sizes. I don't think you know how to explore a computer. You seem to anger easily and DEFINITELY get obsessed with things. CALM DOWN - the answer is right in front of you. You are your own worst enemy.
N4HHE (not verified)
on Jan 21, 2010
Bob, you are complaining that "Save To Server" is not displayed on a high level and because it bit you, you disagree with the GUI designers that it is "too much information."

The part I think you haven't considered is that (greatly simplified) IMAP is a remote filesystem for email, it is intended for most email particulars to be stored on the server so that you can pick up where you left off with your multitude of computers or email programs. It makes perfect sense that the default is to save drafts on the server. Just as it makes perfect sense to find the setting under Preferences -> Accounts -> (the name of the account) -> Mailbox Behaviors.

IMAP tries to sync the contents of the your local cache with those found on the server. Mail.app has not been without bugs, but the multitude of IMAP servers have a worse reputation.

You say you were not connected to the IMAP server when saving your draft? Are you sure? One of the features of IMAP is that mail is not polled as with POP but that the server notify you over an otherwise idle connection of new arrivals only moments after arriving. Your Mail.app does the same. Its a little involved to log off within Mail.app but perhaps you did: Right click on Inbox and scroll down to "Take all accounts offline" or "Take 'this account' offline" if you selected a particular account.

In general IMAP is considered the premium choice over POP because you can place all you email folders on the server for access from any computer that can access that server. Someone thought they were doing you a favor by walking you through IMAP. It would be a good bet that you also have POP access to the same email account, no changes on the remote end, only on yours.
rap (not verified)
on Jan 20, 2010
Note to N4HHE - - - If a single volume of a book tries to cover - not EVERYTHING - but just the IMPORTANT stuff, does that mean that saving a document when you hit "Save to Draft" is not very important? I consider it pretty important.

You say that the path to "Save to Server?" is obvious to YOU. Fine; how come it wasn't "obvious" to the Applications expert in Cupertino? Or to Mr. Pogue?

OF COURSE the Mail.app doesn't know what the server is saving WHEN I AM NOT CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. If I wanted a computer that only works when I am connected to the server, I'd have said so when I went shopping. I thought the fact that this computer had batteries, meant that I could expect it to work when in my car, or when the server was DOWN, or the DSL box or phone lines were broken. But what do I know? Silly me!

I went out and bought the same basic MacBook computer as my son did. Not that there's a lot of choices. They gave him a POP account. Without asking me what features I WANTED, they gave ME an IMAP account. For a long time my son was puzzled, as things that worked on HIS computer, didn't work on mine. We finally figured it out when the contents of 650 of my e-mails ( and even my list of Addresses in my Address 'box) disappeared and didn't come back for HOURS. Nobody ever told me they were not stored on my Hard Drive. We could not GUESS that.

*** We CERTAINLY could not find out about it by "reading the book".

Walking up to a document and clicking (or double-clicking) on random things, seems like a good way to get in trouble. I avoid doing that. So there was no OBVIOUS way to see any command to ZOOM IN on a .pdf. Wasn't in the book.

Of course there are many ways to set a font, style, size, or color. But when the instructions don't work, don't blame me. / rap

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