What’s All This 4-To-20 mA Stuff, Anyhow?

About 30 years ago, some guy told me he had a 4-to-20 mA current source. He wished he could tell if the current was out of range—or if the wire was broken! But nobody could tell him how to detect this. Well, if you want to wave a red flag in front of a bull, just tell me that there’s an analog function and nobody knows how to do it. So I began to figure. How can we tell if a 4.0-mA current shifts down to 3.70 mA or less? If we could tell that, that would be an illegal condition.

I decided to use Bob Widlar’s new LM10, which incorporates a voltage reference and an op amp. Surely I could invent a trick circuit to detect and transmit the error when the current gets too small. I sketched and fiddled and invented a circuit that worked. The customer agreed that it worked.

I also submitted this as a sort of “Idea for Design” to one of the instrument and industrial magazines, because we knew its readers always used a lot of “4-to-20 mA.” So the magazine published that circuit. About three months later, we got a nice letter in AWE, because the reader response to this little circuit had drawn more interest than the magazine had ever seen before. Well, I guess so.

These days, the LM10 is still made and sold, but at $2.30, it’s a little more expensive than you really need for such a simple function. When we brought out the inexpensive (37 cents in quantity) LM4041-ADJ, I figured, “That ought to be able to do it, too.” The LM4041-ADJ has a little gain stage and a 1.2-V reference, so it will perform those functions (see the figure).

Key Specs

The 4N28 has fairly mediocre gain (0.1 to 0.3), but it’s adequate to put out a little flag that can be detected down near “ground.” The LM4041-ADJ detects the 4.0-mA current through the 332 Ω and turns on the 4N28. If that current drops below 3.7 mA, the LM4041 turns the opto off. Even a simple circuit can perform a very useful function. You don’t have to try to find a 30-year-old magazine.

If you want to check the actual level at which this circuit trips and detects, you’ll want a little triangle-wave tester to put in calibrated currents both above and below 3.7 mA. If the output duty cycle is exactly 50%, you’ll know that the threshold is correct. You could trim if you wanted better than 2% accuracy.

I used to work for Teledyne, and if you know your Greek, you’ll know it means “distance and force.” Well, this circuit puts out a small force even isolated hundreds of volts distant, above or below ground. No galvanic connections. So, isolation does not mean poor accuracy or great expense.

Dirty Dishes, Daddy Do? Part 2

My recent column on dirty dishes (May 5, p. 104) prompted a lot of mail from readers with similar complaints, including my brother-in-law Alan Tausch, who had figured out the problem pretty well:

Hi Bob,

I just read your column, and I was very interested in your section about dishwasher soap. Your column is so far the only place where I have seen this issue brought out in print. I went through the same frustration recently. The dishwasher that worked fine for years suddenly no longer gets the dishes clean. Besides that, the glasses are starting to come out with a white haze on them, which cannot be removed with any solvent I’ve found so far. The only solution has been to throw out the glasses and buy new ones. We even bought a new dishwasher, thinking the old one was not working right any more—and got no improvement with the new one.

Then I learned about phosphates being banned from dishwasher soap. And frankly, I’m livid. It’s a prime example of overreaching government intrusion. But what’s worse, they apparently decided to do it without publicizing it. Yes, if you do a search on the Internet, you will find articles saying that phosphates were banned. But I do not remember ever seeing anything in the news that it had been decided and was about to happen. Was this a liberal/government/media/conspiracy? Well it sure does look like it.

Anyway, here is the solution. Go to your hardware store and buy a box of tri-sodium phosphate (TSP), the same stuff you’d use for cleaning your deck or other tough outside cleaning jobs. Put a teaspoon of the TSP into the little soap compartment of the dishwasher, along with the soap gel for each load.

And, by the way, if you go to the appliance store and say your dishwasher doesn’t seem to be working well and you want to buy a new one, they will be happy to sell you one, but they don’t mention that the reason your dishes aren’t coming clean is the phosphates. Do even the appliance sales people not know? Or do they just want the commission on the sale?

Discuss this Article 6

TedKub
on Jun 13, 2011
We solved the hazy dish problem by adding a cup of cheap vinegar to the rinse cycle of our 15 year old dishwasher. Our washer had not only begun leaving a white film, but had lost it's pressure for the wash cycles. The vinegar will clean out the deposits in the lines and restore pressure as well as remove the film. Our washer has an old style timer dial that you spin around to the desired cycle, so that made it easy to begin the rinse cycle over again after the washer was finished and start again during the fill for the rinse. Be careful you don't add the vinegar during the drain cycle before the rinse cycle! Washers without the dial may have to be modified to add a control to start the rinse cycle over again, or stop it when the cycle begins.
Curt557
on Jun 13, 2011
Hi Bob,

We do annual cleaning and painting on our radio telescopes and I don't think real TSP is available even in hardware stores here in California. The last we were able to buy said, " Phosphate Free" TSP. The local hardware merchant said the real stuff was no longer available. Recently I needed some, "Brake Clean". That's the solvent used to wash brake dust from the brakes while doing a brake job on a car. This stuff was developed to avoid the use of compressed air to blow away the noxious brake dust. The only cans I could find at the local auto parts store said, "No VOC's, California Approved". I made the comment while checking out that those statements usually meant that the product doesn't work. The salesman said, "I know what you mean. You ought to see the look on people's faces when they buy a can of our 134a refrigerant, on sale at $15 when we tell them that we have to charge the newly mandated $10 can deposit".
Bernie
on Jun 13, 2011
Re dishwasher film on glasses. I was told by the water company that the cause was the soap which was etching the glass, and that the water here is very "soft". So, the solution was to use less detergent. Well, it seemed to work for some glasses, but not all. The fancier glasses seemed to be more prone to the film appearing. Maybe leaded glass is the difference. Anyway, the glasses do get clean, and the film only appears when the glasses are dry.
john442
on Jun 13, 2011
Tell your brother-in-law to add some rinse to his dishwasher. My glasses come out just fine.
RobEnders
on Jun 13, 2011
Bob,
Phosphates in detergent lead to those bright algal plumes that kill off most life that can't live in hypoxic waters. Things we could routinely do when there were many fewer of us become envirionmentally ruinous when done by lots of people routinely. Annoying, but that's the way it is. Keep up the great writing!
Rob Enders
Alan Brundage
on Jun 14, 2011
Our dishes became progressively hazier and cruddier over the time since January or so. Not even our very hard water could explain it. Then I heard an NPR article about the removal of phosphates from dish detergent, with one interviewee even replacing their dishwasher. I got some real phosphate TSP from the hardware store, which helped some, but nowhere near effective enough. None of the big company commercial detergents did a halfway decent job. Then I tried a "green" automatic dishwasher detergent, and voila! - an immediately noticeable improvement, that over several weeks got rid of the haze and the growing chalky residue. All are sparkling again. Amazing that a small company can get it right, while the monsters haven't done it yet. (For the record, it's Seventh Generation - no personal affiliation, ties, advertising, etc. - it just works really well, and we're quite relieved not to hand wash).

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